February 11, 2008
Dog Day Economics

An interesting question: If as many factors are figured in as possible, which impacts the environment more, a dog or an SUV?

It's not as simple a question as you'd at first think.

Posted by scott at February 11, 2008 01:50 PM

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Well, it'd be nice if they'd even attempt to create an answer. First, one has to frame how the impact will be measured: CO2 produced? petroleum products consumed? other factors such as poop on the ground? shoes/clothes/furniture destroyed? toys purchased? extra food processing required to make dog food?

Then, lifespan calculations need to be made.

On the overall, I think SUVs cost more - especially due to the cost of construction and products used. Given that they get less efficient with age, the environmental impact is probably something like an inverted bell curve.

Posted by: Ron on February 11, 2008 03:05 PM

Not even a close call.

Dogs live about 10-13 years, assume the same for SUVs.

SUVs indisputably have a higher production cost. (Assume we just talk about marginal cost to environment of +1 SUV and not even about the cost of setting up the SUV plant; likewise, assume cost of +1 puppy, setting aside cost of mom and dad dogs.) I don't even believe you could rationally argue otherwise.

For arguments sake I will even concede that a dog and a SUV have the same annual impact on the environement. How (1) a SUV and dog could give off the same amount of CO2 or (2) producing dog food would cost as much as drilling oil, with the resulting geopolitical impact, or (3) a SUV -- which routinely run over and cripple school children -- and a dog -- which on occasion might give a child a small bite -- possibly have the same impact just boggles the mind. But I'll even concende, for now, that the two are even -- just to show you how bad of a question this is.

Disposal costs. Again, not even close. Try burying a dead SUV and a dead dog, after he has passed on (due to natural causes) to doggy heaven, in your yard. Just try and tell me that you it took the same effort and your yard looks the same either way. Then give it a couple years. Come back and tell me which one works out better for you.

The only way you could even make it close is some make believe world were you warp the issue into marginal environment cost of a SUV vs. a minivan and a dog vs. an empty petless existence.

Seriously, what does it take to get a job with the MIT econ department? Is Boston so cold that no one else will take this job? Is it the sports teams?

Posted by: John on February 11, 2008 08:52 PM

The question is daft because SUVs and pets share no functional similarities whatsoever, except in so far as they reflect the personality of the owner.

Dogs and cats are extremely inimical to wildlife, killing or chasing many small mammals and birds. Favourite natural beauty spots, such as coastal paths and beaches are frequently carpeted in dog excrement - toxifying places where children like to run and jump about. Dogs are also extremely anti-social, typically barking, jumping up, licking faces, getting in the way, or biting, maiming and killing. These negative impacts of pet ownership are very rarely acknowledged by pet owners who must therefore suffer from a certain amount of self-delusion.

Posted by: daniel on February 22, 2010 09:48 AM

Daniel - while you're correct in that the question is daft, you're committing a sample set error on the second part. I walk my dog on dog-specific paths on a very frequent basis. While there are a portion of the pet owners that don't clean up, the vast majority of them do. Carpeted is an extreme overstatement. You're also completely wrong about the anti-social tendencies of dogs - they're very social and one has to work very hard to make them aggressive, assuming they aren't feral.

BTw - toxic is a pretty large word for the impact of poo on a beach or path. You've basically Godwinned the discussion with that, in terms of magnitude of incorrectness.

Posted by: Ron ap Rhys on February 22, 2010 12:13 PM

Daniel - while you're correct in that the question is daft, you're committing a sample set error on the second part. I walk my dog on dog-specific paths on a very frequent basis. While there are a portion of the pet owners that don't clean up, the vast majority of them do. Carpeted is an extreme overstatement. You're also completely wrong about the anti-social tendencies of dogs - they're very social and one has to work very hard to make them aggressive, assuming they aren't feral.

BTw - toxic is a pretty large word for the impact of poo on a beach or path. You've basically Godwinned the discussion with that, in terms of magnitude of incorrectness.

Posted by: Ron ap Rhys on February 22, 2010 12:14 PM

It looked to me like he was trying to be funny, imitating the SUV-hate that's been spewing from the MSM and directing it at dogs instead.

"If you have to explain the joke, it wasn't funny."

Posted by: Tatterdemalian on February 23, 2010 09:01 PM
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